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	<title>Comments on: Why Do Buddhists Pray To Idols?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Crusade. Your ignorance certainly killed this discussion. You might as well have yelled &quot;Heil Hitler&quot; and commit mass genocide of all the Buddhist. I hope you learn how to become more tolerant and respectful of other people. Just a quick reminder, God (whether it&#039;s my God or yours) wants us to be kind to our neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Crusade. Your ignorance certainly killed this discussion. You might as well have yelled &#8220;Heil Hitler&#8221; and commit mass genocide of all the Buddhist. I hope you learn how to become more tolerant and respectful of other people. Just a quick reminder, God (whether it&#8217;s my God or yours) wants us to be kind to our neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: crusade</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>crusade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you pray to anyone other than the Almighty God, then you are commiting idolatry. Idolatry is absolutely not tolerated by God and it&#039;s clearly written in the Bible. Plus, Buddhist don&#039;t believe there&#039;s only ONE God. They are either agnostic or polytheistic. Either way are going against the Bible. That&#039;s why the Buddhists are going to hell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you pray to anyone other than the Almighty God, then you are commiting idolatry. Idolatry is absolutely not tolerated by God and it&#8217;s clearly written in the Bible. Plus, Buddhist don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s only ONE God. They are either agnostic or polytheistic. Either way are going against the Bible. That&#8217;s why the Buddhists are going to hell!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, may i ask as well, do buddhist worship ancestors or elders who have passed on? Should we be &quot;praying&quot; to them? It is my family&#039;s practice to pray to ancestors and death anniversaries and also festivals like &quot;hungry ghost festivals&quot;. Do buddhists consider praying to &quot;altars&quot; as a rightful thing to do? Also about burning of incense paper. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, may i ask as well, do buddhist worship ancestors or elders who have passed on? Should we be &#8220;praying&#8221; to them? It is my family&#8217;s practice to pray to ancestors and death anniversaries and also festivals like &#8220;hungry ghost festivals&#8221;. Do buddhists consider praying to &#8220;altars&#8221; as a rightful thing to do? Also about burning of incense paper. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a difference between bowing to Buddha and kneeling at the altar in church. The Cross is a symbol of what Christ has done on the cross (dying). Christians know that the factory making of a cross holds no power but the representation and the meaning behind it holds great power. Whether the cross was hand made or not really doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s simply a symbol that shows Christians what Christ has done. They are not kneeling to the object because wood is simply wood no matter what. 
Saying this from a Christian point of view, i am not intending to sound like i know exactly what it means  for a Buddhist because I don&#039;t  but this is for those of you wondering what it means from a Christian point of view. 
Also, prayer does not need to be done just in church. Prayer is able to be done anywhere and any time. The Bible even says to &quot;Pray without ceasing.&quot;—1 Thessalonians 5:17. This doesn&#039;t mean that one has to be on their knees constantly with their hands folded. No this means that one is to be constantly aware that no matter where they go they are in the presence of God. God does not just exist inside the walls of the Church but he is very much indeed in the world and is everywhere. He knows the constant thoughts of your heart which is why just thinking about him and talking to him in your mind is to be constantly praying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between bowing to Buddha and kneeling at the altar in church. The Cross is a symbol of what Christ has done on the cross (dying). Christians know that the factory making of a cross holds no power but the representation and the meaning behind it holds great power. Whether the cross was hand made or not really doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s simply a symbol that shows Christians what Christ has done. They are not kneeling to the object because wood is simply wood no matter what.<br />
Saying this from a Christian point of view, i am not intending to sound like i know exactly what it means  for a Buddhist because I don&#8217;t  but this is for those of you wondering what it means from a Christian point of view.<br />
Also, prayer does not need to be done just in church. Prayer is able to be done anywhere and any time. The Bible even says to &#8220;Pray without ceasing.&#8221;—1 Thessalonians 5:17. This doesn&#8217;t mean that one has to be on their knees constantly with their hands folded. No this means that one is to be constantly aware that no matter where they go they are in the presence of God. God does not just exist inside the walls of the Church but he is very much indeed in the world and is everywhere. He knows the constant thoughts of your heart which is why just thinking about him and talking to him in your mind is to be constantly praying.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schell</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-2829</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seggster:

It depends on the sect or denomination of Buddhism. Some groups DO have gods and deities, and what they do can best be translated as &quot;praying.&quot; Others tend to lean toward there not being any kind of supernatural beings, and so meditation might be the better term. It just depends on the group as to which term is more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seggster:</p>
<p>It depends on the sect or denomination of Buddhism. Some groups DO have gods and deities, and what they do can best be translated as &#8220;praying.&#8221; Others tend to lean toward there not being any kind of supernatural beings, and so meditation might be the better term. It just depends on the group as to which term is more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: seggster</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>seggster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still a little confused about praying versus meditating.  Praying is usually a term related to a god or in some cases saints asking for intercession for a problem.  Are Buddists praying or meditating on their conditions and areas they are weak in and they want to improve themselves in.
I am not playing semantics, I truely seek clarity on the issus.
I thank you all inadvance for any comments you make make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still a little confused about praying versus meditating.  Praying is usually a term related to a god or in some cases saints asking for intercession for a problem.  Are Buddists praying or meditating on their conditions and areas they are weak in and they want to improve themselves in.<br />
I am not playing semantics, I truely seek clarity on the issus.<br />
I thank you all inadvance for any comments you make make.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monalisa, the answer to your question is right at the top of this page. I do, however, smell troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monalisa, the answer to your question is right at the top of this page. I do, however, smell troll.</p>
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		<title>By: monalisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>monalisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhhhhhh hey..do buddhist pray to statues and fake gods?
and why does buddhist actually pray to fake gods?
do they actually belive a statue is going to give them air to breath and actually make a human being?
im not tryanna be rude but im wondering because im a christian and an seventh day adventist...so its realy bothering me because i dont understand why and who told them this stuff?
and another question...do they follow after folktale and fairy tale and belive its real?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhhhhhh hey..do buddhist pray to statues and fake gods?<br />
and why does buddhist actually pray to fake gods?<br />
do they actually belive a statue is going to give them air to breath and actually make a human being?<br />
im not tryanna be rude but im wondering because im a christian and an seventh day adventist&#8230;so its realy bothering me because i dont understand why and who told them this stuff?<br />
and another question&#8230;do they follow after folktale and fairy tale and belive its real?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much.
i have recently converted to buddhism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much.<br />
i have recently converted to buddhism.</p>
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		<title>By: Susthama</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>Susthama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion is really interesting and thought provoking. Thank you.

It seems to me that the devotional prayer comes from a longing for something that we lack within. Prayer may serve this human predicament of exisiting in a world in which we know that we lack something coupled with a hope/search and wish that we might be fulfilled. 

One could look at the practice of paying homage to the Buddha or Tathagatha as a Bhakti (devotional) practice. The practice is non-conceptual, and therefore one that is difficult to understand with our minds and yet at the same time something that satisfies our physical and emotional aspects. This is something that we can do with our body, speech and mind without understanding it and yet gaining much merit. 

Personally, I have no trouble with the act of bowing or making prostrations to a Buddha statue while saying Namo Tassa bhagavato arahato samyak sambuddhasa and keeping the fully accomplished Buddha in mind being seen as idol worship. I think I&#039;m more interested in understanding where the person is coming from and why they feel uneasy about praying to a statue of the Buddha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is really interesting and thought provoking. Thank you.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the devotional prayer comes from a longing for something that we lack within. Prayer may serve this human predicament of exisiting in a world in which we know that we lack something coupled with a hope/search and wish that we might be fulfilled. </p>
<p>One could look at the practice of paying homage to the Buddha or Tathagatha as a Bhakti (devotional) practice. The practice is non-conceptual, and therefore one that is difficult to understand with our minds and yet at the same time something that satisfies our physical and emotional aspects. This is something that we can do with our body, speech and mind without understanding it and yet gaining much merit. </p>
<p>Personally, I have no trouble with the act of bowing or making prostrations to a Buddha statue while saying Namo Tassa bhagavato arahato samyak sambuddhasa and keeping the fully accomplished Buddha in mind being seen as idol worship. I think I&#8217;m more interested in understanding where the person is coming from and why they feel uneasy about praying to a statue of the Buddha.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogoer</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once heard a quote from Swami Sivananda. I don&#039;t remember it exactly, but the gist was: ‚ÄúI pity the fool who attaches to non-representational ideas of the infinite. Images, whether abstract or personified, are the door through which you will gain understanding.‚Äù It really helped my understanding of devotional worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once heard a quote from Swami Sivananda. I don&#8217;t remember it exactly, but the gist was: ‚ÄúI pity the fool who attaches to non-representational ideas of the infinite. Images, whether abstract or personified, are the door through which you will gain understanding.‚Äù It really helped my understanding of devotional worship.</p>
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		<title>By: PrixMadonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrixMadonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, a note that I am very much a beginner student of Buddhism and not a devout practitioner, nor do I claim to be a Buddhist. 

When I was first learning about the Zen practice of bowing during service, I was taught by a member of my sangha that the bow represents gratitude. And since everyone in the sangha bows, in a variety of manners, in thanks and communication to the teachers and each other in the tradition of Zen and the Japanese, that made sense to me.

I do not consider bowing to be worship so much as acknowledgement. And since we are practicing the act of being present, it seems appropriate to acknowledge. 

The fact that there is imagery available to bow toward is, for me, a focus. It gives something for everyone to bow toward and not so much to bow to.

That said, I think that questioning and discussion, such as what is occuring in the comments for this post, is exactly the quality of Buddhism that attracts me to it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, a note that I am very much a beginner student of Buddhism and not a devout practitioner, nor do I claim to be a Buddhist. </p>
<p>When I was first learning about the Zen practice of bowing during service, I was taught by a member of my sangha that the bow represents gratitude. And since everyone in the sangha bows, in a variety of manners, in thanks and communication to the teachers and each other in the tradition of Zen and the Japanese, that made sense to me.</p>
<p>I do not consider bowing to be worship so much as acknowledgement. And since we are practicing the act of being present, it seems appropriate to acknowledge. </p>
<p>The fact that there is imagery available to bow toward is, for me, a focus. It gives something for everyone to bow toward and not so much to bow to.</p>
<p>That said, I think that questioning and discussion, such as what is occuring in the comments for this post, is exactly the quality of Buddhism that attracts me to it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Do Buddhists Pray To Idols? &#171; Digital Dharma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Do Buddhists Pray To Idols? &#171; Digital Dharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do Buddhists Pray To&#160;Idols?  Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 by Bill   Why Do Buddhists Pray To Idols? ¬´ Daily Buddhism I was rared in the Monotheistic traditions and my question is basic. It concerns iconography and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do Buddhists Pray To&nbsp;Idols?  Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 by Bill   Why Do Buddhists Pray To Idols? ¬´ Daily Buddhism I was rared in the Monotheistic traditions and my question is basic. It concerns iconography and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can walk into any number of Christian (and other) churches, profess myself to be a Christian -- or, in the case of infant baptism, become one even without my consent -- and go on from there, learning what I will or won&#039;t, and as long as I show up occasionally and don&#039;t do anything too egregious, I&#039;m still a member of the church.  That is not true of all, but of many.

When people walk into a zendo, dharma center or temple, it does not make them Buddhists.  One hangs around, studies, takes the precepts, finds a teacher, and learns what Buddhism is about pretty much from the ground up.  There is rarely any ambiguity involved, and practicing Buddhists learn quickly what the rituals mean and why they are carried out, along with what they don&#039;t mean.  Even those who attempt to learn from books find out quickly that Buddhists do not worship images, along with the reasons for prostrations and other rituals, for or the lack thereof.

Those who have made sufficient effort to learn, know what&#039;s happenin&#039;.  Those who have not, question.  But, until they have made at least as much effort as those who practice, it is hardly appropriate to argue semantics when given accurate answers.

Semantics are what delusion is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can walk into any number of Christian (and other) churches, profess myself to be a Christian &#8212; or, in the case of infant baptism, become one even without my consent &#8212; and go on from there, learning what I will or won&#8217;t, and as long as I show up occasionally and don&#8217;t do anything too egregious, I&#8217;m still a member of the church.  That is not true of all, but of many.</p>
<p>When people walk into a zendo, dharma center or temple, it does not make them Buddhists.  One hangs around, studies, takes the precepts, finds a teacher, and learns what Buddhism is about pretty much from the ground up.  There is rarely any ambiguity involved, and practicing Buddhists learn quickly what the rituals mean and why they are carried out, along with what they don&#8217;t mean.  Even those who attempt to learn from books find out quickly that Buddhists do not worship images, along with the reasons for prostrations and other rituals, for or the lack thereof.</p>
<p>Those who have made sufficient effort to learn, know what&#8217;s happenin&#8217;.  Those who have not, question.  But, until they have made at least as much effort as those who practice, it is hardly appropriate to argue semantics when given accurate answers.</p>
<p>Semantics are what delusion is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Very good answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very good answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very common question among people who are starting to study Buddhism. You failed to include the veneration of Amithaba and other Buddhas that is real worship, not of the qualities of the Buddha, but of the Buddhas themselves.

Pablo Antuna
&lt;a href=&quot;http://buddhism-eyes.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buddhism Beliefs&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very common question among people who are starting to study Buddhism. You failed to include the veneration of Amithaba and other Buddhas that is real worship, not of the qualities of the Buddha, but of the Buddhas themselves.</p>
<p>Pablo Antuna<br />
<a href="http://buddhism-eyes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Buddhism Beliefs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we may be getting tripped up in semantics here. I don&#039;t think anyone prays to idols, and we all, including the original poster, know that. Who would pray to a piece of plastic or wood?

I think the original poster was more concerned with the reverence shown to the images of Buddha. In my answer to yesterday&#039;s question, I mentioned how some visitors to the temple would go down in prostration before pictures or statues while others did not. Whether you are showing respect and reverence to the real Buddha or &quot;worshiping a statue,&quot; it is hard to tell from appearances. As Jami mentions above, one thing often leads to another, and too much adherence to ritual can become just another form of grasping.

If you couldn&#039;t guess, I am not a big fan of prostrations myself. I am highly in favor of showing respect to the Buddha and have great respect in my own mind and heart, but kneeling in front of a statue seems wrong to me.  I absolutely understand all the arguments given above, but it&#039;s just not something I am personally comfortable with. Therefore I don&#039;t do it. Simple solution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we may be getting tripped up in semantics here. I don&#8217;t think anyone prays to idols, and we all, including the original poster, know that. Who would pray to a piece of plastic or wood?</p>
<p>I think the original poster was more concerned with the reverence shown to the images of Buddha. In my answer to yesterday&#8217;s question, I mentioned how some visitors to the temple would go down in prostration before pictures or statues while others did not. Whether you are showing respect and reverence to the real Buddha or &#8220;worshiping a statue,&#8221; it is hard to tell from appearances. As Jami mentions above, one thing often leads to another, and too much adherence to ritual can become just another form of grasping.</p>
<p>If you couldn&#8217;t guess, I am not a big fan of prostrations myself. I am highly in favor of showing respect to the Buddha and have great respect in my own mind and heart, but kneeling in front of a statue seems wrong to me.  I absolutely understand all the arguments given above, but it&#8217;s just not something I am personally comfortable with. Therefore I don&#8217;t do it. Simple solution!</p>
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		<title>By: mr lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Buddhists do not pray to idols‚Ä¶ at least none that I know of and I‚Äôve been practicing buddhism for over 18 years‚Ä¶ we bow to the representation of the eternal (God) for some people ‚Ä¶ we bow in respect ‚Ä¶ we do not pray to idols any more than you pray to the cross behind the alter in your church‚Ä¶ you pray to God/Jesus/Holy Ghost we bow in respect to what the symbol represents too‚Ä¶just like Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Buddhists do not pray to idols‚Ä¶ at least none that I know of and I‚Äôve been practicing buddhism for over 18 years‚Ä¶ we bow to the representation of the eternal (God) for some people ‚Ä¶ we bow in respect ‚Ä¶ we do not pray to idols any more than you pray to the cross behind the alter in your church‚Ä¶ you pray to God/Jesus/Holy Ghost we bow in respect to what the symbol represents too‚Ä¶just like Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the answer posted. Great quote. We don‚Äôt worship in a superstitious way, we bow to Buddha figure as respect and to remind ourselves of the enlightened being that led way for us to bring out the goods in ourselves.

Another reason that we bow to the ground w/ our head touching the ground is so we can let go of our ego. Buddha does not ever ASK us to pay him respect to the point our head touches the ground, but it is an act that teaches/trains us to let go of our ego and not always place us on top or in front of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the answer posted. Great quote. We don‚Äôt worship in a superstitious way, we bow to Buddha figure as respect and to remind ourselves of the enlightened being that led way for us to bring out the goods in ourselves.</p>
<p>Another reason that we bow to the ground w/ our head touching the ground is so we can let go of our ego. Buddha does not ever ASK us to pay him respect to the point our head touches the ground, but it is an act that teaches/trains us to let go of our ego and not always place us on top or in front of others.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello!
I think that the bowing or not bowing to symbols is best left to the individual.If you feel as though that this is idol worshipping than i think it best not to do it but maybe a slight bow of the head as to not offend others or you do not have to do this but just enter and sit on a cushion.If you feel as though that prostrating before a image is not idol worshipping than by all means do it.The issue should not be legalism or not but liberation and using any means for this goal is what we should be be focused on not worrying about the acts themselves.We should use our common sense.Even the Buddha said that the dharma is a raft to get to the other side of the river and once we get there we should disregard the raft.
                                                          steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello!<br />
I think that the bowing or not bowing to symbols is best left to the individual.If you feel as though that this is idol worshipping than i think it best not to do it but maybe a slight bow of the head as to not offend others or you do not have to do this but just enter and sit on a cushion.If you feel as though that prostrating before a image is not idol worshipping than by all means do it.The issue should not be legalism or not but liberation and using any means for this goal is what we should be be focused on not worrying about the acts themselves.We should use our common sense.Even the Buddha said that the dharma is a raft to get to the other side of the river and once we get there we should disregard the raft.<br />
                                                          steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/1140/comment-page-1#comment-1388</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The response was clever. Christians and Sufi Muslims also justify icons/imagery on the same basis.

But the counter point is that inherent in praying to idols is the danger of mistaking the very &#039;idols&#039; for the those things which they respresent. I think this is the issue in the Old Testament and Qu&#039;ran (and among those opposed to iconography in the Orthodox tradition). 

It goes further. It makes assumptions: that certain pieces of wood, certain liturgical words etc, can bestow cures of almost &#039;magical quality&#039;. The issues that motivatedthe early Puritans are perhaps relevant here. 

It can be stated that the iconography, imagery leads to all kinds of superstious views. This may lead to the construction of a spiritual tradition (Tibet is one example)which keeps certain and arguably unwholsome practices in place and furthers, rather than lessens, &#039;exploitation&#039; and therefore increases &#039;suffering&#039;.

Lastly, the answer is from a trained &#039;Nun&#039;. It is not entirely certain that a lay Buddhist in a rural habitat would view things in that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The response was clever. Christians and Sufi Muslims also justify icons/imagery on the same basis.</p>
<p>But the counter point is that inherent in praying to idols is the danger of mistaking the very &#8216;idols&#8217; for the those things which they respresent. I think this is the issue in the Old Testament and Qu&#8217;ran (and among those opposed to iconography in the Orthodox tradition). </p>
<p>It goes further. It makes assumptions: that certain pieces of wood, certain liturgical words etc, can bestow cures of almost &#8216;magical quality&#8217;. The issues that motivatedthe early Puritans are perhaps relevant here. </p>
<p>It can be stated that the iconography, imagery leads to all kinds of superstious views. This may lead to the construction of a spiritual tradition (Tibet is one example)which keeps certain and arguably unwholsome practices in place and furthers, rather than lessens, &#8216;exploitation&#8217; and therefore increases &#8216;suffering&#8217;.</p>
<p>Lastly, the answer is from a trained &#8216;Nun&#8217;. It is not entirely certain that a lay Buddhist in a rural habitat would view things in that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent answer.</p>
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		<title>By: steven oldner</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven oldner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When christians kneel to the altar are they praying to a wooden or stone statue or are they praying to Christ?  When they are praying a rosary are they praying to the beads?  Whe they pray to Saint XX, who are they praying to?  And are muslins praying to their country when they align the prayer rugs?

What should be asked is what is buddhist prayer and how does it differ from christian/muslim prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When christians kneel to the altar are they praying to a wooden or stone statue or are they praying to Christ?  When they are praying a rosary are they praying to the beads?  Whe they pray to Saint XX, who are they praying to?  And are muslins praying to their country when they align the prayer rugs?</p>
<p>What should be asked is what is buddhist prayer and how does it differ from christian/muslim prayer.</p>
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