Comments on: 12 Steps, Higher Powers, and Buddhism

By: lisa

lisa — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:14:29 +0000

There is no control and a higher power can be earthly or not. There is perhaps too much focus on the verbage than the intention.

By: Jami

Jami — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:23 +0000

Hi Brian, I did not recieve any of your mail-and for 3 months I or you went missing. Have you been away? I am glad to return here.

My only issue abt this topic, is the narrow view of theism. Evangelical notions are one side of a rich history of the God-Concept. Meister Eckart’s fertile metaphors, his notion of ‘disinterest’, apparently conforms to the Buddhist term of ‘detachment’. These are germinal metaphors, and maybe in Nirbana, we have a semantic riddle, a bridge, even a pathway to inperceptible reality. And when the hasidim say we create God,is that not a window to many substantive truths?

By: Darren Littlejohn

Darren Littlejohn — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:52:27 +0000

Thanks for continuing the stream of thought on this topic and for including the reference to the 12-Step Buddhist. These are deep questions, but the right answers will come for us. If we want them.

-d

By: Alexandra Ormsby

Alexandra Ormsby — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:02:14 +0000

While I am not in recovery, I did suffer from depression for many years, and was on medication off and on for 4 years. My path in Buddhism is rarely meditation (I’m sad to admit), but I love reading the Sutras, and I was immediately drawn to “The Bodhisattiva Ideal”. Once having read the Bodhisattva Vow (I vow to attain enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings), I could not turn away from that vow, and it has guided my life since. And yes, I know meditation is essential to enlightenment, and I have to get busy! But as part of my education, I read the Sutras, and I have found they have completely dispelled my depression. Buddha speaks of Buddhaverses as vast as the sands of the Ganges. When the mind fully grasps that, it seems as if our earthly cares are dispelled and we look at life differently. That, with the Bodhisattva Vow, where I am looking out automatically for the suffering of others and dispelling it maybe by just a word or a simple smile — but with my ‘antennae’ always out – has so completely changed my life, that I cannot fathom how I was ever depressed. Well, this is what has helped me from my readings of Buddhism and I pass it on with love and compassion. Maybe it is far too simplistic for most, but it is a ’step’ in the right direction before one moves on to the more complex ideals of Buddhism.

By: ZenSaint

ZenSaint — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:41:56 +0000

Seems to me that turning your life over to a “Higher power” means only that you accept there may be a force in this universe more powerful than man. I do not see the 12-step approach as theistic. My higher power could be my son or a tree in the back yard. Of course, at some time freedom from addiction must be for oneself and not for any external source. Since we’re all interconnected….

Buddhism provides a wonderful focus for living in the moment, and how is that different than “one day at a time”?

By: Dennis

Dennis — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:45:56 +0000

The problem that I personally have with most Western religions, as well as the AA concept of a higher power is the lack of personal accountability. I found Buddhism when I decided it was time to recover and get my life back, and I didn’t see that it would be MY life without accountability. Anyway, here is the one line that works for me every time; “It takes a deep commitment to change and an even deeper commitment to grow. – Ralph Ellison…”

By: Brent Johnson

Brent Johnson — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:40:29 +0000

As a Buddhist in recovery, I have found that the Steps integrate perfectly with the Buddhist path and I don’t cling to the view of God. The spiritual aspect of A.A. is a personal one, “as we understood” and each member has his or her own path, but too often we forget what A.A. is all about! “Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and practice these principles in all our affairs”. Help someone!!! If you have 10 days sober, show someone with 1 day how you got 10!! then practice the precepts and live a mindful life! Look for the newcomer in the meeting and say hello, remember you have taken long enough, now its time to give back!!

By: Dana S. Leslie

Dana S. Leslie — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:39:33 +0000

I find a Buddhist analog to “turning over”/”surrendering” an issue to one’s “higher power” in the process of “letting go,” and allowing one’s Buddha Nature (magnanimity, compassion, and wisdom) to direct one’s actions. Perhaps, a “translation” (in your own mind) of “12-step talk” along these lines would help you feel more comfortable with/in the recovery community?

But, if this is too abstract and cerebral for your needs, you might consider developing a practice focused on devotion to a particular bodhisattva, such as Avalokiteshvara, Guan Yin, or Amida Butsu, and regarding him/her as your higher power. There is, I think, plenty of precedent for such an approach, in Buddhist tradition.

By: John R

John R — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:34:24 +0000

Thank you for addressing this oft asked question. While I do not call myself “a Buddhist” any more than i call myself most anything, I have been practicing a variety of Buddhist techniques for years. I am also in my 29th year of sobriety through and thanks to Alcoholics Anonymous. I would recommend the book One Breath At A Time as the best book to date on recovery and Buddhism.
Having said that, I would also like to mention that I am an atheist. That is, I do not believe in any god or gods at all. However, as a Hunka Lakota, I do practice ceremonial ways and have relationships with all our relations (Mitakuye Oyas’in). That is, as we see in physics and especially complexity theory, everything is related (connected) to everything else in inter-intra-penetrating ways. Without getting into the intricacies of the philosophic and quasi theologic aspects, I just want to say that many of us in AA are also not theists.
One might remember the particular cultural context out of which the movement came and the book Alcoholics Anonymous was written. In addition, we can recognize the profound contribution this group (and its principles) has made to the cultural milieu of not only the United States, but countries and cultures around the world. Many have called the 12 Step program “Buddhism in practice.” I also suggest one read Jack Kornfield’s book After the Ecstasy, the Laundry to see how the 12 Step process and practice might blend beautifully with Buddhism and fill in some of the gaps he describes in the Asian Buddhist experience.
I was a drunk for many years trying to practice spiritual disciplines of many kinds (including Christianity). Until I got sober, none of it bore any real fruit.

Please feel free to contact me if you would like assistance, discussion, or help of any kind with respect to obtaining or maintaining sobriety. johnjayr@gmail.com

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:56:15 +0000

It was 12-Step recovery that brought me to Buddhism in the first place. Of course, the “name” of the spiritual path one takes to a happy and fulfilling life matters little, calling it Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, or Wiccan merely sets some limits on a vast universal truth, allowing my limited human mind to even begin to touch it.
And as with all of these paths to enlightenment, words being picked and chosen and taken out of context or interpreted from a limited perspective will always lead to confusion or disagreement. It is a sad truth that human attachment to the written word leads to suffering, yet how else are we to share with one another the beauty we have found in life? How else would we send or receive the message of recovery, or Bodhisattva ideal etc when apart from a community? We try to write the instructions down. Just like it is impossible to practice right action without right thinking, or believe that suffering will cease without admitting it exists in the first place, so too are the 12 Steps an ordered path to right living and perhaps even enlightenment. With the added benefit that we alcoholics also cease to be attached to alcohol as a “solution” to our perceived problems.
Whatever the original authors of the Big Book, the Dhammapada, or the Bible use to relieve their suffering and enhance the lives of those around them is all equally, perfectly, valid. I wouldn’t call myself a Buddhist if it included some discrimination towards any one practice.
Essentially, any spiritual practice boils down to this sure-fire recipe for creating our own heaven on earth (& it’s also a recovery acronym for god) — Good. Orderly. Direction.

By: Patty Hensley

Patty Hensley — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:44:01 +0000

I am going to find the 12stepbuddhist book referenced here. It has been a challenge to maintain an open mind in my recovery from addiction around religion and spirituality. It has required that I open my mind around my own resentments towards devoutly religious people. I can still get my buttons pushed by “them” but I am beginning to see that it’s my angry reaction that needs embracing. Something to learn and grow from. My “higher power” is simply something greater than my personality. What keeps me from being in the here and now can be my personalitie’s need to control, manage and manipulate an outcome. I might look to the inner higher self for guidance to open my eyes and my heart to what may be real – learing to love. It’s a continuing journey and I appreciate this site and the exchange of experiences. My past, and sometimes current, resentments toward western religious stuff pop me out of the here and now. It is a ripe area for growth for me and a challenge.

By: John Saunders

John Saunders — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:13:08 +0000

I too found myself “in the rooms” hoping to cope with an addiction out of control at one point in my life and immediately was put off by the notion of a “higher power”. As a buddhist, this did not make sense to me, and left me feeling hollow after all, I wasn’t fitting in in a place where ANYONE could fit in..
That said, I read some books, asked around, and meditated long on this subject. I found a simple answer.
Buddhists, or anyone for that matter, do have a “higher power”. It’s karma silly! Being mindful of one’s karma is a perfectly realistic “power” that will only guide you on a successful path. Religious folks always have the option of ignoring their godly “higher power’s suggestions” and end up right back in the place that brought them to their suffering, but those that choose to be mindful of consequences often find progress over time that’s down-right heavenly
Realizing this helped me tremendously through my own path of recovery. I found that if I just substituted the phrase higher power with mindfulness and karma, I was able to begin to “fit in” and reap the benefits that the rooms had to offer me. This didn’t happen overnight by any means. One thing I’d suggest is picking up the book from http://www.the12stepbuddhist.com. That helped me focus my meditation and I would only help that it could also help you.

With Gassho,

John Saunders